Since we only have mere weeks to debate, let it begin!

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the Bored lives FOREVER.

Once again, Nintendo has gone with a "proprietary" software format...when will they learn?...the 3.5" DVD's they use hold less data and cost more to manufacture (due to the fact that they are not widely used) so it will cost more for develiopers to make games for the GC...this will more than likely translate into games that are a few bucks more to buy than X-Box or PS2 games...granted the PS2 and X-Box both cost more, but both include the ability to play DVD Movies, which the GC does not...

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Originally posted by thechaostheory:
gotta go x-box, nintnedo is much to kiddie, no "darker" games.

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not so. i think they are releasing the new resident evil game on the GC, i saw some pictures in a magazine and they looked amazing.
i think GameCubes definitely the way to go - ok, so nintendo are renowned for "kiddie games" but the game play is just so good! i'm a big nintendo fan though, so i am slightly biased.

[ November 24, 2001: Message edited by: Jenny ]

The GC controller is weird too (not that the XBOX is normal) but I dont like the button layout for the GC controller, seems really kid-oriented. LARGE big buttons for grubby little hands. We shall see. Nintendo didnt sell me with their N64 and Im not sold on the GC. If they manage to come out with a decent number of "adult" games, I might take a look. But as it stands, I dont think you'll ever see anything like Halo or Grand Theft Auto III on the GC, their target audience is the Pokemon crew.

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the Bored lives FOREVER.

i bought a gamecube yesterday and also the game FIFA 2002. after playing with the xbox setup at work on my breaks (i work at media play) and playing the gamecube at another store, i hate the xbox. here's one of the biggest things: it's microsoft. microsoft has no experience putting out gaming systems. and a computer inside the system? give me a break. that means more frequent 'crashes.' plus, we have a hard enough time selling them to any half intelligent person because if you leave the system running for more than about an hour and a half, it skips. people ask, "does it always do this?" and we have to say yes...you have to turn it off for a while and let it cool off. we even set up a fan to draw away the hot air from the system but it still skips after too much gameplay. i kind of like the gamecube's controller actually. it took a little while to get used to, and the setup is admittedly weird, but i like it now. oh, and has anyone played that rogue leader game for gamecube? my friend bought it yesterday. it's awesome.

and i hate how people say that ps2 and xbox are better because they can play dvds...everytime i've tried to watch a dvd on one of my friends' ps2, we have problems. you can get a decent 'real' dvd player for the same amount of money as a ps2. plus, for the xbox, you have to buy an accessory to play the dvds..and it's like $40-$50 i think.

First off, I've (admitedly) played two 8-hour bouts of Halo on my XBOX, and it didnt skip, it didnt get hot, it didnt do anything really, except play really really well. The cooling (on mine at least) is more than adequate, and they use a 5400RPM HDD so it doesnt make much heat anyway. The construction is pretty good as far as Ive seen, the only thing not to do is drop the XBOX since the HDD does not have much support (though I have to ask who goes around dropping their systems anyway?). I've heard that a bunch of the 'demo' systems that stores got were buggy and didnt work right, but as far as I can tell my XBOX runs like a charm and so do my 3 friends who got one. As far as having a "computer inside the system" well, take a look at your lunchbox.. I mean Gamecube, it uses an IBM PowerPC procesor! Whoa! A "computer" inside the "cube". The XBOX is only a bit different because it uses more readily identifible PC-related components.

Next.. saying since the XBOX is Microsoft means its gonna crash is the same as saying using Quicktime (made by Apple) will turn your computer into an iMac. Obviously wrong, and a pretty stupid comment all the same. The XBOX does not use any version of Windows at its core (the Dreamcast used a modified version of WindowsCE btw). M$ did not make the XBOX to be a PC, they are making HUGE efforts to distingush the XBOX, it is NOT a PC, its a gaming/entertainment system.

On that note.. the DVD playback for my XBOX is perfectly fine by me. Sure it was a bit of a pain to buy the $29 (not $40-50) remote, but I figured I would get my use out of it. The PS2's dvd playback was a bit bad at first, but they recently came out with a firmware update which fixes most of the problems. But so-far the XBOX shows no DVD playback problems, and is my sole-dvd player at the time being. It also supports Dolby 5.1 and DTS playback, which the 'Cube does not. While this is great for movie watching, it really shines in games like Halo, where you hear fighting going on all around you, or Madden 2002.. it really sounds like your at the game.

But basically it comes down to the software in the end, you can have a great system but it doesnt mean much if no good games come out. And I really cant think of many titles on the GC that I could invision myself wanting. My friend brought his GC over to my house and we rented Luigis Mansion. We probably played it for about 4-5 hours and we were right about at the end. the End!! PC games are one thing, but console games need much more (re)playability than that. And the Mansion was the GC "big title". While I admit that Rogue Leader looks brilliant, its still not enough to get me to shell out $250 for the system with one title. And anyways, XBOX is getting Starfighter Special Edition and Star Wars: Obi-Wan, the latter seriously going to kick ass.

One other thing, the HDD on the XBOX is really opening up so many new ways to develop console games. The upcoming game "Project: EGO" is going to be simply fan-fcuking-tastic. Using the XBOX's HDD, Project Ego is a living, breathing world. You start your character in a world, you start with a child and you live his life, you grow up and eventually die. Everything you do along your life will effect things as they do in real life. If you chop down a tree when your 10, when you come back at age 50 there will only be a stump, but if you didnt chop it down, there would be a nice-sized tree. If you get in a fight as a teenager, later on in life you might have some real grudges against certain people. This game is just mindblowing, its never been done before and I am really excited. Not to mention out-of-the-BOX online play available.. you show me a better time than 16 player system-link'd Halo and I'll show you 16 very happy people. The HDD also basically can eliminate load times on games that are programed to use it. Halo for example has one decent-sized loading screen before each major level. And the ingame loading time is seriously about 1 second, it looks like the game skipped for a second or something, but it actually loaded the whole next level. DOA3 is much the same, it loads everthing in that extremely long copyright notice.. so you can switch from level to level almost instantanously. Its so nice. And not having to pay $14.95 for a PALTRY 0.5 MB memeory card? Priceless, wait no, I guess there is a price there. Even the PS2 memory card's were 8 MB. I dont understand why Nintendo went with 0.5 MB. Thats a pathetic way to get kids to spend way more money on their "Bargin system".

Sure Nintendo made a decent cosole, its not BAD but its just so much of the SAME. Its a nice little system to play nice little games. No innovation, nothing new, BORING. Like RJ said, the mini-dvd discs are really going to limit the amount of data a game can hold before the inevitable "Insert Disc 2 now" finality. Oh well, to each their own, I just think M$ has the money and the willpower to make some really innovative changes in the way we think of console gaming.

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the Bored lives FOREVER.

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Come over to my house and play some co-operative Halo and you'll see why that's an open invite!

[ November 25, 2001: Message edited by: NSA ]